15
$\begingroup$

I am generally interested in the forcing method used by Baker-Gill-Solovay and Cohen. I am looking for as many sources as I can get my hands on concerning either the technique itself or its use. Does anyone have suggestions?

$\endgroup$
2
  • 2
    $\begingroup$ who points out that its the same technique? $\endgroup$
    – vzn
    Oct 26, 2012 at 5:02
  • $\begingroup$ I second @vzn, i've never seen anyone seriously unifying both constructions. There is some analogy between the results, and the idea of constructing some artificial objects, but that is very very superficial. Presumably one could formalize some things in common, but that would not lead to new insights. Now that does not mean actual forcing (as invented by Cohen) could not be very useful in complexity theory, it has led to some results in weak arithmetic theories, but just that BGS' result, and their idea of relativization, is not a case of forcing (as invented by Cohen). $\endgroup$
    – plm
    Aug 27, 2023 at 5:27

4 Answers 4

17
$\begingroup$

For more uses of forcing (via so-called generic oracles) in complexity theory, see The Oracle Builder's Toolkit (freely available from Fortnow's homepage) by Fenner, Fortnow, Kurtz, and Li. They give a general theory of generic oracles, and show its many applications in complexity.

If you're interested in how oracles in complexity are like independence proofs in set theory, you might be interested in the following papers:

For the uses of forcing in set theory, see the book Set Theory (Set Theory on Amazon) by Jech, especially Parts II and III of the book (not to be confused with "Introduction to Set Theory" by Hrbáček and Jech).

$\endgroup$
0
11
$\begingroup$

For an excellent introduction to forcing in set theory, there's Timothy Chow's famous USENET post "Forcing for dummies" as well as the more formal paper that arose from it, "A beginner's guide to forcing".

$\endgroup$
9
$\begingroup$

For uses of forcing like techniques in proof complexity you might want to look at:

The method of proof is an arithmetical analogue of forcing (of a kind already used by Paris and Wilkie). More combinatorial (and improved lower bounds) are in J. Krajıcek, P. Pudlak, and A. Woods, Exponential lower bounds to the size of bounded depth Frege proofs of the pigeonhole principle, Random Structures Algorithms, 7 (1995), pp. 15–39. and T. Pitassi, P. W. Beame, and R. Impagliazzo, Exponential lower bounds for the pigeonhole principle, Comput. Complexity, 3 (1993), pp. 97–140.

See also:

Recently, Jan Krajicek published a book unifying these forcing techniques:

$\endgroup$
5
  • $\begingroup$ interesting leap but havent seen anyone in papers/books actually compare forcing to pigeonhole principle/proofs...? $\endgroup$
    – vzn
    Oct 31, 2012 at 17:15
  • $\begingroup$ Pigeonhole Principle here is a name of a statement. To show that the statement is independent of a certain theory one uses forcing-like constructions. The references above show how to do this. $\endgroup$ Nov 1, 2012 at 6:35
  • $\begingroup$ ok, but exponential size proofs of SAT using resolution (via pigeonhole constructions) are not "independent" it would seem... they are just "large"... any online refs pointing the connection out? admit am a bit surprised because many refs on pigeonhole proofs in SAT do not refer to anything about "forcing".... $\endgroup$
    – vzn
    Nov 1, 2012 at 18:50
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ Establishing super-polynomial size lower bounds on propositional proofs for a (uniform) family of propositional statements implies the independence of the corresponding first- (or second-) order formula in the corresponding first- (or second-) order formal theory. E.g., the pigeonhole principle is independent (i.e., true in the standard model, but unprovable) of $V^0$, namely, the theory of "$AC^0$ reasoning" which corresponds to constant-depth Frege (this is NOT resolution); (I use here the terminology of Cook & Nguyen, Logical Foundation of Proof Complexity, 2010; See Cor. VII.2.4 there). $\endgroup$ Nov 2, 2012 at 5:15
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ (cont.) See also Jan Krajicek's book "Bounded Arithmetic, Propositional Logic, and Complexity Theory", Cambridge, 1995, on this. All references above (excluding Krajicek's 1995 book) are available on-line. The connection with forcing is explained in e.g., the 2nd reference of Ajtai above. $\endgroup$ Nov 2, 2012 at 5:16
4
$\begingroup$

see also Forcing in proof theory by Avigad, 30pp, 2004. he cites BGS75 but not in detail. there is some reference to Scott/Solovay as a rephrasing of forcing into boolean-valued models.

Ideas in forcing have been influential in computational complexity; for example, the separation of complexity classes relavitized to an oracle (e.g., as in BGS75) can often be viewed as resource-bounded versions of forcing.

$\endgroup$

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service and acknowledge you have read our privacy policy.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.