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I came across the Placid Platypus function $PP(n)$ today, defined as the minimal number of states needed for a turing machine that prints a string of $n$ ones and halts. This function is claimed to (eventually) grow faster than any computable function, similar to the busy beaver function.

However, it is trivial to upper bound this function: consider the turing machine with $n+1$ states. It's transition function is simply (have it start in state 1):

  • If in state $k \leq n$, go to state $k+1$, write $1$ on the tape, then move left
  • If in state $n+1$, halt

This will write a string of $n$ ones, thus, $PP(n) \leq n+1$, disproving the claim that the Placid Platypus function grows faster than any computable function.

What am I missing?

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    $\begingroup$ Where did you see the claim? The article you link to, as well as the paper linked there, both claim the opposite. The Harland paper even explicitly includes your bound. $\endgroup$ Feb 13, 2019 at 7:22
  • $\begingroup$ In the Growth rate tab on the side, it has the same >= as the busy beaver article? $\endgroup$
    – Phylliida
    Feb 13, 2019 at 7:56
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    $\begingroup$ Oh. Well, that’s wrong, then. Read the actual text. $\endgroup$ Feb 13, 2019 at 8:49
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    $\begingroup$ Wikia is extremely unreliable. The claim that the function is not known to be uncomputable is also likely bogus (and is contradicted on the talk page). $\endgroup$ Feb 13, 2019 at 8:54
  • $\begingroup$ @EmilJeřábek awesome thanks, good to hear it is wrong and I wasn't missing anything $\endgroup$
    – Phylliida
    Feb 16, 2019 at 4:57

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The function $PP(n)$ is essentially the Kolmogorov complexity of the number $n$, and is non-computable by standard arguments, which I present below.

Suppose to the contrary that $PP$ is computable. Then so is the function $f:k\mapsto n$ that maps a number $k\in\mathbb{N}$ to the least integer $n$ such that $PP(n)>k$. (Such an $n$ always exists by simple counting arguments.) If $PP$ is computable then so is $f$.

Now define the Turing machine $M$ as follows: $M$ prints $f(|M|)$ ones, where $|M|$ is the number of states in $M$. Thus, $M$ has size $\ell=|M|$, and it prints a string of $\ell$ ones. By construction, $PP(\ell)>\ell$, and so $\ell$ ones cannot be printed by any TM with $\ell$ states or fewer. Contradiction.

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  • $\begingroup$ Update: In particular, having a computable upper bound on PP allows one to effectively compute this function (by the same argument as for BB), which answers the OP's question. $\endgroup$
    – Aryeh
    Feb 13, 2019 at 10:30
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    $\begingroup$ You mean a computable lower bound (which, furthermore, goes to infinity). There are computable upper bounds, such as the one given in the question, or even $PP(n)\le c\log n$ for a suitable constant $c$. $\endgroup$ Feb 13, 2019 at 10:48
  • $\begingroup$ Indeed (too late to edit comment). $\endgroup$
    – Aryeh
    Feb 13, 2019 at 10:51
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    $\begingroup$ Well, it is not eventually majorized by any computable function, i.e., it is slower than any given computable function on infinitely many inputs. However, a simple counting argument also shows that it is $\Omega(\log n)$ infinitely often (in fact, on a set of inputs with asymptotic probability 1). $\endgroup$ Feb 13, 2019 at 12:48
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    $\begingroup$ Eventually minorized? $\endgroup$
    – Aryeh
    Feb 13, 2019 at 12:52

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